Comments on: Toponymic confusion revisited http://www.datavaluetalk.com/2009/05/27/toponymic-confusion-revisited/ Customer data is a valuable asset. Why not treat it that way? Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:53:40 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dylan Jones http://www.datavaluetalk.com/2009/05/27/toponymic-confusion-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-660 Dylan Jones Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:38:25 +0000 http://www.datavaluetalk.com/?p=969#comment-660 And if you don't believe me...[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8d/LlanfairLARGE.jpg/1000px-LlanfairLARGE.jpg[/img] And if you don’t believe me…1000px-LlanfairLARGE.jpg

]]> By: Dylan Jones http://www.datavaluetalk.com/2009/05/27/toponymic-confusion-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-659 Dylan Jones Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:36:54 +0000 http://www.datavaluetalk.com/?p=969#comment-659 This brings back fond memories of learning the name of our local village: Llanfairpwllgwyngychgogerychchwyndrobwchllantisiliogogogoch Or Llanfair P.G for the tourists... Great post Holger! This brings back fond memories of learning the name of our local village:

Llanfairpwllgwyngychgogerychchwyndrobwchllantisiliogogogoch

Or Llanfair P.G for the tourists…

Great post Holger!

]]> By: dco http://www.datavaluetalk.com/2009/05/27/toponymic-confusion-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-653 dco Wed, 27 May 2009 19:04:03 +0000 http://www.datavaluetalk.com/?p=969#comment-653 The reasons for variation no doubt relate to the fact that the original name came from an oral society, and has been recorded phonetically different ways over time. Think about early days of European contact in North America - there were English, French, and Dutch, (writing down things phonetically the way they made sense in their mother tongue) and there may have been some dialect variation in how different people from the same Native American group were pronouncing the words. An extreme example of this is: Ojibway, Ojibwe, Ojibway, Chippewa, Chippeway. It's easy to see the link between the first three, but if you think of the last two as O'Chippewa, or O'Chippeway then it seems more reasonable. All that aside, I think my favorite indigenous word is: Humuhumunukunukuapua'a (or 'pig fish', the state fish of Hawaii) The reasons for variation no doubt relate to the fact that the original name came from an oral society, and has been recorded phonetically different ways over time.

Think about early days of European contact in North America – there were English, French, and Dutch, (writing down things phonetically the way they made sense in their mother tongue) and there may have been some dialect variation in how different people from the same Native American group were pronouncing the words.

An extreme example of this is: Ojibway, Ojibwe, Ojibway, Chippewa, Chippeway. It’s easy to see the link between the first three, but if you think of the last two as O’Chippewa, or O’Chippeway then it seems more reasonable.

All that aside, I think my favorite indigenous word is: Humuhumunukunukuapua’a (or ‘pig fish’, the state fish of Hawaii)

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